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Open letter to Christians against gay marriage

I recently had an exchange with a Christian friend who was “disgusted” at the states that approved gay marriage. He believes the people that voted for it are “disgraceful.”  Christian disapproval of gay marriage was the impetus behind this open letter that will hopefully open the eyes of a few of my Christian readers.

Marriage was initially created by men many years ago to control women, at a time much more archaic than the time we live in now.  It was created at a time that we would stone someone for being gay as well as for cursing at their parents.  Many things have changed in society since marriage was first created.  We now are able to traverse the planet to find a mate and no longer need to claim one within walking distance as our property.  Today marriage is viewed much differently… so is stoning.   Let’s not forget how different society is for all of you folks who insist on a biblical interpretation of marriage.

Marriage today is considered a formal legal agreement.  An agreement that governments have decided warrants some special privileges.   Sure, I get that your religion defines marriage as between a man and a woman but governments are starting to strip that portion and simply define it as an agreement or contract between two people to live as a married couple.  The contract allows two people that are in love to unite in a lifelong bond that affords them certain rights they would not otherwise be afforded.  Governments throughout history have slowly moved away from biblical interpretation of the law as it is outdated and irrelevant.  We no longer allow slavery, we recognize it as inhumane… the men who created your silly bible story apparently didn’t.  We choose to live in a world governed by sanity and fairness, not a 2000 year old book that condones slavery and violence.

When you complain about gay marriage, even consider it “disgraceful” you are taking a stance against a couple that wants to proclaim their love for life and wants the same benefits that married couples receive.  They receive certain health care benefits, tax benefits, and the ability to visit their partner’s deathbed.

Your stance is uniquely anti-human if you aren’t willing to afford gay couples the same rights that you receive as a heterosexual couple.  Your discrimination and hate is defended by using a book written by ignorant drugged up lunatics in an attempt to monopolize power and profit over the even more illiterate masses.

Your god is supposed to be all knowing and all powerful.  He knew this day would come.  He knew a time would come where decent people would be forced to take a stance that allows this “sin” or be forced to face the fact that they have an indecent opinion.  Your anti-gay stance is indecent, it is shameful and sad that it is based on a book full of contradictions and mistakes; a book that any reasonable intelligent person who is honest with themselves must admit is nonsense.  You might as well base your opinions on Peter Cottontail.

As a straight man that loves women and couldn’t possibly ever envision myself with another man I have a hard time relating to someone who would.  Frankly it’s not my thing.  But a homosexual person may feel the same way about my heterosexual preferences.  I understand that as a decent citizen of this planet I am no more entitled to the legal advantages of love as someone who falls in love with someone of the same sex.  And you might say you think being gay is a choice, but we do have scientific reasons for believing people are born gay.  The science leads us to believe that homosexuals don’t make a choice to be gay.  There are countless examples of gay acts in the animal kingdom, did they have peer pressure or learn it on TV?  One further scientific reason to believe that people are born gay: ask gay people all over the globe if they chose it!  I should not be granted rights that I would discriminate away from someone else.  You don’t deserve the special rights you are afforded through marriage if you are unwilling to accept others who want the same.

Let’s pretend for a moment that the inconceivably ridiculous god concept you believe in is true, then we must admit that God created people knowing full well that they would be biologically predisposed to attraction to people of the same sex.  He knew full well before he created a single atom that he would bring people into existence that was biologically born gay and therefore born with the purpose of “letting him down.”  He knew he had the power to stop it and was supposedly all loving.  He didn’t change his plan nor did he stop this injustice before it happened.  He created people in such a way that he knew they couldn’t possibly fulfill his plan and would serve an eternity in the hell that he allowed to exist.  And don’t say that stopping this “disgraceful” gay person from being born this way would have taken away free will.  It wouldn’t have removed free will any less than him not granting you certain other biological traits have.  Do you have the ability to shoot laser beams out of your eyes or jump 50 feet high?  No.  Apparently god has limited your ability biologically.  Why didn’t he limit us (and all the other animals) biologically to be heterosexual?  Why did he let gays exist even though he considers it “sin?”  Why?  I know why, BECAUSE YOUR GOD DOESN’T EXIST.  It’s time for you to leave the bronze ages and accept gay marriage.  And if my arguments didn’t persuade you, keep in mind that if you don’t accept gay marriage gay men will marry your girlfriends.

Luke 17:34-35 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

This is a re-post from my blog at Rational Responders.

8 comments - What do you think?  Posted by Sapient - November 12, 2012 at 11:46 pm

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My religious upbringing and a timeline

I was born an atheist,  at 5 I was sure God existed because I was told by the person I trusted the most that God existed.  As I learned about the bible and started to understand the world I became a little more agnostic on the idea and was an agnostic catholic at 8.  At 13 my mother decided the Catholic Church wasn’t exciting enough and we joined a born again Christian Church, I was 13.  I said the special password prayer you need to say to let Jesus know you want in to heaven.  Literally, this was the argument and justification, say this prayer and you won’t burn in hell, you’ll go to heaven.  What 13 year old that still trusts his mother wouldn’t do that?  I did it… I was an agnostic Born-again Christian.  I talked to Jesus at night before bed, and I tried to get my father on the proper path as well.  I was tortured over the thought of him going to hell.

As I learned about science I leaned towards being an agnostic deist.  This process lasted several years and I happily with any type of theistic belief.  I was living with a non-practicing Jewish father who I thought of as very “Jewish” and now know him as someone who believes in Spinoza’s God or Einstein’s deistic leanings.  When I was about 20 I looked up atheism for the first time on the internet, I found Jake who helped me think myself out of my deism.  I was able to call myself an agnostic atheist less than a week later.  For the first time I was able to call myself an atheist without thinking I was evil because of the word that my mother brainwashed me about, that was 14 years ago. It was at that point I decided to spend my life correcting the wrongs of religion.

Mom, if you’re reading this… keep in mind, your completely ridiculous religion helped cause our family breakup.  Religion kills families.  My efforts come in large part because of how religion was forced on me as a child, but also because of all the other people who have told me about their upbringings, some of whom can use the word “Cult” to describe how they were brought up.   I was about 14 when you started praying for me to want you in my life, it’s been 20 years, where is that getting you?

1 comment - What do you think?  Posted by Sapient - November 12, 2011 at 10:11 pm

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Story about mentally retarded women used in terrorist attacks

BAGHDAD (AP) – Two mentally retarded women strapped with remote-control explosives—and possibly used as unwitting suicide bombers—brought carnage Friday to two pet bazaars, killing at 73 people in the deadliest day since Washington flooded the capital with extra troops last spring. The coordinated blasts—coming 20 minutes apart in different parts of the city—appeared to reinforce U.S. claims al-Qaida in Iraq may be increasingly desperate and running short of able-bodied men willing or available for such missions.

But they also served as a reminder that Iraqi insurgents are constantly shifting their strategies in attempts to unravel recent security gains around the country. Women have been used in ever greater frequency in suicide attacks.

The twin attacks at the pet markets, however, could mark a disturbing use of unknowing agents of death.

SOURCE ARTICLE

Be the first to comment - What do you think?  Posted by admin - February 7, 2008 at 12:23 pm

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Scientology Crackpots

Wow these scientologists are freaked out of their gourds. Compare the way they dodge and weave to what you see in Tom Cruise. Some of them seem to be the epitome of “ignorance is bliss.” How incredibly stupid…

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Scientologists harassing Mark Bunker who disagrees with Scientology. They even tried to follow him home and they’ve picketed his actual home.

Oh, and Enturbulation was made up by Scientology and is not part of the English Language. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enturbulation

Also, XenuTV and Mark Bunker are on Myspace.com. Check out his Myspace where he blogs about Scientology.

http://www.myspace.com/xenutv

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Christian blogger gives nod to RRS “debate” victory.

After watching the debate a few times online, it’s clear that the Rational Response Squad claimed the victory. Way of the Master had promised before the debate that they could prove the existence of God in thirteen minutes, without using faith or the Bible. Sadly, within just a few minutes they had utterly broken their promise. Now, I don’t claim to be able to prove that God exists any better than Comfort and Cameron. I can’t even say that I would have done better in their places.

From the verge.

Here are two very relevant videos:
1. The highlights from the Cameron/Comfort/RRS “debate.” (it was more like a “response” not a “debate”)
2. Re-cap about WOTM after shit hit the fan.

Be the first to comment - What do you think?  Posted by Sapient - January 2, 2008 at 1:37 am

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Just for kicks…

I rarely indulge him, but this one was the elusive self pwn and I had to, just had to point it out…

Fran quotes me…

“It would seem instead that Fran embodies the stereotype of the immoral Christian who would lie and cheat for Jesus.”

After quoting me, he says…

“On the other hand, he says I cheat. Cheat? Cheat in what exactly? I never cheated in my life.”

Do you see me say the words “Fran cheats?” I was making an inference. See how it could have been more honestly represented?

The elusive self pwn strikes again.

1 comment - What do you think?  Posted by admin - December 4, 2007 at 6:22 am

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