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Open letter to Christians against gay marriage

I recently had an exchange with a Christian friend who was “disgusted” at the states that approved gay marriage. He believes the people that voted for it are “disgraceful.”  Christian disapproval of gay marriage was the impetus behind this open letter that will hopefully open the eyes of a few of my Christian readers.

Marriage was initially created by men many years ago to control women, at a time much more archaic than the time we live in now.  It was created at a time that we would stone someone for being gay as well as for cursing at their parents.  Many things have changed in society since marriage was first created.  We now are able to traverse the planet to find a mate and no longer need to claim one within walking distance as our property.  Today marriage is viewed much differently… so is stoning.   Let’s not forget how different society is for all of you folks who insist on a biblical interpretation of marriage.

Marriage today is considered a formal legal agreement.  An agreement that governments have decided warrants some special privileges.   Sure, I get that your religion defines marriage as between a man and a woman but governments are starting to strip that portion and simply define it as an agreement or contract between two people to live as a married couple.  The contract allows two people that are in love to unite in a lifelong bond that affords them certain rights they would not otherwise be afforded.  Governments throughout history have slowly moved away from biblical interpretation of the law as it is outdated and irrelevant.  We no longer allow slavery, we recognize it as inhumane… the men who created your silly bible story apparently didn’t.  We choose to live in a world governed by sanity and fairness, not a 2000 year old book that condones slavery and violence.

When you complain about gay marriage, even consider it “disgraceful” you are taking a stance against a couple that wants to proclaim their love for life and wants the same benefits that married couples receive.  They receive certain health care benefits, tax benefits, and the ability to visit their partner’s deathbed.

Your stance is uniquely anti-human if you aren’t willing to afford gay couples the same rights that you receive as a heterosexual couple.  Your discrimination and hate is defended by using a book written by ignorant drugged up lunatics in an attempt to monopolize power and profit over the even more illiterate masses.

Your god is supposed to be all knowing and all powerful.  He knew this day would come.  He knew a time would come where decent people would be forced to take a stance that allows this “sin” or be forced to face the fact that they have an indecent opinion.  Your anti-gay stance is indecent, it is shameful and sad that it is based on a book full of contradictions and mistakes; a book that any reasonable intelligent person who is honest with themselves must admit is nonsense.  You might as well base your opinions on Peter Cottontail.

As a straight man that loves women and couldn’t possibly ever envision myself with another man I have a hard time relating to someone who would.  Frankly it’s not my thing.  But a homosexual person may feel the same way about my heterosexual preferences.  I understand that as a decent citizen of this planet I am no more entitled to the legal advantages of love as someone who falls in love with someone of the same sex.  And you might say you think being gay is a choice, but we do have scientific reasons for believing people are born gay.  The science leads us to believe that homosexuals don’t make a choice to be gay.  There are countless examples of gay acts in the animal kingdom, did they have peer pressure or learn it on TV?  One further scientific reason to believe that people are born gay: ask gay people all over the globe if they chose it!  I should not be granted rights that I would discriminate away from someone else.  You don’t deserve the special rights you are afforded through marriage if you are unwilling to accept others who want the same.

Let’s pretend for a moment that the inconceivably ridiculous god concept you believe in is true, then we must admit that God created people knowing full well that they would be biologically predisposed to attraction to people of the same sex.  He knew full well before he created a single atom that he would bring people into existence that was biologically born gay and therefore born with the purpose of “letting him down.”  He knew he had the power to stop it and was supposedly all loving.  He didn’t change his plan nor did he stop this injustice before it happened.  He created people in such a way that he knew they couldn’t possibly fulfill his plan and would serve an eternity in the hell that he allowed to exist.  And don’t say that stopping this “disgraceful” gay person from being born this way would have taken away free will.  It wouldn’t have removed free will any less than him not granting you certain other biological traits have.  Do you have the ability to shoot laser beams out of your eyes or jump 50 feet high?  No.  Apparently god has limited your ability biologically.  Why didn’t he limit us (and all the other animals) biologically to be heterosexual?  Why did he let gays exist even though he considers it “sin?”  Why?  I know why, BECAUSE YOUR GOD DOESN’T EXIST.  It’s time for you to leave the bronze ages and accept gay marriage.  And if my arguments didn’t persuade you, keep in mind that if you don’t accept gay marriage gay men will marry your girlfriends.

Luke 17:34-35 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

This is a re-post from my blog at Rational Responders.

8 comments - What do you think?  Posted by Sapient - November 12, 2012 at 11:46 pm

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Theory of inherent dishonesty in theism

I have written a little post up about the theory of inherent dishonesty in theism for purposes of clarity.  Should you choose to use it, please link to the page at Rational Responders.

http://www.rationalresponders.com/theory_inherent_dishonesty_theism

The theory of inherent dishonesty in theism can be seen whenever a theist defends belief in god.  The theory explains that while defending belief in god a theist must act ignorant dishonest or both.

There has never been an honest and intelligent defense of theism.  This theory has been observed in every atheist/theist debate since the theory was originally coined around the year 2000.  This page will be updated if an argument arises on behalf of theism that is both honest and based on factual data.

3 comments - What do you think?  Posted by Sapient - February 27, 2012 at 11:39 am

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My religious upbringing and a timeline

I was born an atheist,  at 5 I was sure God existed because I was told by the person I trusted the most that God existed.  As I learned about the bible and started to understand the world I became a little more agnostic on the idea and was an agnostic catholic at 8.  At 13 my mother decided the Catholic Church wasn’t exciting enough and we joined a born again Christian Church, I was 13.  I said the special password prayer you need to say to let Jesus know you want in to heaven.  Literally, this was the argument and justification, say this prayer and you won’t burn in hell, you’ll go to heaven.  What 13 year old that still trusts his mother wouldn’t do that?  I did it… I was an agnostic Born-again Christian.  I talked to Jesus at night before bed, and I tried to get my father on the proper path as well.  I was tortured over the thought of him going to hell.

As I learned about science I leaned towards being an agnostic deist.  This process lasted several years and I happily with any type of theistic belief.  I was living with a non-practicing Jewish father who I thought of as very “Jewish” and now know him as someone who believes in Spinoza’s God or Einstein’s deistic leanings.  When I was about 20 I looked up atheism for the first time on the internet, I found Jake who helped me think myself out of my deism.  I was able to call myself an agnostic atheist less than a week later.  For the first time I was able to call myself an atheist without thinking I was evil because of the word that my mother brainwashed me about, that was 14 years ago. It was at that point I decided to spend my life correcting the wrongs of religion.

Mom, if you’re reading this… keep in mind, your completely ridiculous religion helped cause our family breakup.  Religion kills families.  My efforts come in large part because of how religion was forced on me as a child, but also because of all the other people who have told me about their upbringings, some of whom can use the word “Cult” to describe how they were brought up.   I was about 14 when you started praying for me to want you in my life, it’s been 20 years, where is that getting you?

1 comment - What do you think?  Posted by Sapient - November 12, 2011 at 10:11 pm

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Scientist vs Thelogian

Dr. Jerry Coyne is drawing lots of internet attention because of the events that transpired around his debate on October 12 at the University of Kentucky.  Coyne debated John Haught a Catholic from Georgetown University.

What makes this event special?  Apparently both parties agreed to videotape the event well in advance of the event.  However after the event Dr. Coyne receives a correspondence from Dr. John Rabel (Coordinator of the debate) that John Haught didn’t want the video to be released.  They agreed to release it before the event and therefore Rabel obviously couldn’t honor this request.  Well Dr. John Rabel of the Gaines Center for Humanities agreed to not allow posting of the video because they didn’t get permission from Haught in advance to post the video.  Someone correct me if my timeline is wrong.

Well what was that?  Previous videos in this series with John Haught have been posted, Dr. Coyne knows as he studied them to prepare for the event in which Haught apparently came off as unpolished.  Did Haught think this appearance was so bad it was worth censoring?  Why didn’t he know there would be an annoying internet backlash?  Slews of e-mailers flooded Haught and Rabel with e-mail over the last few days with claims of cowardice. Legal action has been threatened against Dr. Jerry Coyne for antagonizing all of this.

Of course Haught and Rabel are fully to blame.  Do atheists really come off to Christian leaders like they can just roll over us and we’ll shut up?  Sorry Haught, we wont just go away.  We all want to see the arguments that you and Coyne made.  In fact, now we want to see it more.  Before we wouldn’t have cared.  You drew our attention to it.  You drew our attention to it just like Kent Hovind did when he sent in false copyright claims against youtube atheists.  If you wanted it to be something that would just go away, something that you didn’t become known for then it is you John Haught that should have slowly and quietly walked away and given Dr. Jerry Coyne his copy of the tape.

Kudos to you Dr. Jerry Coyne for not letting this issue die. Might I suggest everyone head over to Amazon and buy your excellent book “Why Evolution is True.”

If you decide to write Rabel or Haught please remember to be nice.

 

UPDATE: We now have reason to believe that the video will be released.  Haught changed his tune after the internet backlash.  We still await the video.  

 

 

Be the first to comment - What do you think?  Posted by Sapient - November 2, 2011 at 12:14 pm

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