There are some people from the red states that are currently having a public temper tantrum to secede from America. Why not let them? The red states are a drain. They have higher rates of homicide, infant mortality, suicide, and unemployment. They tend to take higher amounts of federal funds, they are less educated, less diverse, less tolerant, have a lower IQ, and are more religious.
I’m all for embracing America, I believe we should try to work together rather than divide. I would never propose a secession for my state when I am frustrated. When George Bush won as a result of fraud and the Supreme Court selected him in another election you didn’t see me proposing we secede. I knew the damage he would cause, I was disgusted, I lived every day of those 8 years upset at who was in the White House. I lived every day of those 8 years fearful of what he would do next and sad about the extreme damage he was causing to this country. I did not propose a secession. Instead I fought to inform the public. And in doing so I’d like to believe that I played a very small role in ensuring that we have a better leader now. Now it’s their turn.
If you’re upset about the nomination of Obama I understand that feeling, I lived with that feeling. During that time I spoke out, it’s a right that we get as Americans. A right that you would probably have restricted by an [almost] theocratic style government that you would slowly move towards in your new red state country. A petition to secede sent to the White House, does nothing but paint you as unpatriotic immature and butthurt. Man up.
Many of the people signing these petitions on the White House website to allow X state to secede from the Union are not from the states that are asking for a way out. I am one of them. That’s right, I signed every single petition asking for a red state to secede. If they want to play 2 year old I’ll let them. Let them taste what it would be like to be without the strength of the collective America. They claim patriotism? I think not!
Let’s give the whiny unpatriotic traitors what they want!
If you don’t want to sign those petitions maybe you’d rather sign the petition to strip the citizenship from everyone who signed a petition to secede. Or you can sign the petition to deport everyone who signed a petition to secede.
I’ll leave you with a blurb from Letter to a Christian Nation by Sam Harris. He paints a picture that talks about the weaknesses of the red states as well as referring to higher levels of religiosity:
Other analyses paint the same picture: the United States is unique among wealthy democracies in its level of religious adherence; it is also uniquely beleaguered by high rates of homicide, abortion, teen pregnancy, sexually transmitted disease, and infant mortality. The same comparison holds true within the United States itself: Southern and Midwestern states, characterized by the highest levels of religious literalism, are especially plagued by the above indicators of societal dysfunction, while the comparatively secular states of the Northeast conform to European norms. While political party affiliation in the United States is not a perfect indicator of religiosity, it is no secret that the “red states” are primarily red because of the overwhelming political influence of conservative Christians.
If there were a strong correlation between Christian conservatism and societal health, we might expect to see some sign of it in red-state America. We don’t. Of the twenty-five cities with the lowest rates of violent crime, 62 percent are in “blue” states and 38 percent are in “red” states. Of the twenty-five most dangerous cities, 76 percent are in red states, 24 percent in blue states. In fact, three of the five most dangerous cities in the United States are in the pious state of Texas. The twelve states with the highest rates of burglary are red. Twenty four of the twenty nine states with the highest rates of theft are red. Of the twenty two states with the highest rates of murder, seventeen are red.
By the way, The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1869 that states cannot unilaterally secede from the union. The position the court took was “once in (the union), always in”
This is a repost from my blog on Rational Responders
I recently had an exchange with a Christian friend who was “disgusted” at the states that approved gay marriage. He believes the people that voted for it are “disgraceful.” Christian disapproval of gay marriage was the impetus behind this open letter that will hopefully open the eyes of a few of my Christian readers.
Marriage was initially created by men many years ago to control women, at a time much more archaic than the time we live in now. It was created at a time that we would stone someone for being gay as well as for cursing at their parents. Many things have changed in society since marriage was first created. We now are able to traverse the planet to find a mate and no longer need to claim one within walking distance as our property. Today marriage is viewed much differently… so is stoning. Let’s not forget how different society is for all of you folks who insist on a biblical interpretation of marriage.
Marriage today is considered a formal legal agreement. An agreement that governments have decided warrants some special privileges. Sure, I get that your religion defines marriage as between a man and a woman but governments are starting to strip that portion and simply define it as an agreement or contract between two people to live as a married couple. The contract allows two people that are in love to unite in a lifelong bond that affords them certain rights they would not otherwise be afforded. Governments throughout history have slowly moved away from biblical interpretation of the law as it is outdated and irrelevant. We no longer allow slavery, we recognize it as inhumane… the men who created your silly bible story apparently didn’t. We choose to live in a world governed by sanity and fairness, not a 2000 year old book that condones slavery and violence.
When you complain about gay marriage, even consider it “disgraceful” you are taking a stance against a couple that wants to proclaim their love for life and wants the same benefits that married couples receive. They receive certain health care benefits, tax benefits, and the ability to visit their partner’s deathbed.
Your stance is uniquely anti-human if you aren’t willing to afford gay couples the same rights that you receive as a heterosexual couple. Your discrimination and hate is defended by using a book written by ignorant drugged up lunatics in an attempt to monopolize power and profit over the even more illiterate masses.
Your god is supposed to be all knowing and all powerful. He knew this day would come. He knew a time would come where decent people would be forced to take a stance that allows this “sin” or be forced to face the fact that they have an indecent opinion. Your anti-gay stance is indecent, it is shameful and sad that it is based on a book full of contradictions and mistakes; a book that any reasonable intelligent person who is honest with themselves must admit is nonsense. You might as well base your opinions on Peter Cottontail.
As a straight man that loves women and couldn’t possibly ever envision myself with another man I have a hard time relating to someone who would. Frankly it’s not my thing. But a homosexual person may feel the same way about my heterosexual preferences. I understand that as a decent citizen of this planet I am no more entitled to the legal advantages of love as someone who falls in love with someone of the same sex. And you might say you think being gay is a choice, but we do have scientific reasons for believing people are born gay. The science leads us to believe that homosexuals don’t make a choice to be gay. There are countless examples of gay acts in the animal kingdom, did they have peer pressure or learn it on TV? One further scientific reason to believe that people are born gay: ask gay people all over the globe if they chose it! I should not be granted rights that I would discriminate away from someone else. You don’t deserve the special rights you are afforded through marriage if you are unwilling to accept others who want the same.
Let’s pretend for a moment that the inconceivably ridiculous god concept you believe in is true, then we must admit that God created people knowing full well that they would be biologically predisposed to attraction to people of the same sex. He knew full well before he created a single atom that he would bring people into existence that was biologically born gay and therefore born with the purpose of “letting him down.” He knew he had the power to stop it and was supposedly all loving. He didn’t change his plan nor did he stop this injustice before it happened. He created people in such a way that he knew they couldn’t possibly fulfill his plan and would serve an eternity in the hell that he allowed to exist. And don’t say that stopping this “disgraceful” gay person from being born this way would have taken away free will. It wouldn’t have removed free will any less than him not granting you certain other biological traits have. Do you have the ability to shoot laser beams out of your eyes or jump 50 feet high? No. Apparently god has limited your ability biologically. Why didn’t he limit us (and all the other animals) biologically to be heterosexual? Why did he let gays exist even though he considers it “sin?” Why? I know why, BECAUSE YOUR GOD DOESN’T EXIST. It’s time for you to leave the bronze ages and accept gay marriage. And if my arguments didn’t persuade you, keep in mind that if you don’t accept gay marriage gay men will marry your girlfriends.
Luke 17:34-35 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
This is a re-post from my blog at Rational Responders.
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I don’t, however if you’re a fan of liars I suggest finding reading material from Ray Comfort and Dinesh D’Souza. These guys are great!
Disclaimer: It is entirely possible that they aren’t lying, and they just happen to be really stupid… but it’s far from likely.
“Do you see me say the words “Fran cheats?” I was making an inference. See how it could have been more honestly represented?” – Sapient
“Well, all I gotta say is, Thank you, Brian, for admitting that your “inference” was unwarranted to begin with. I guess that really means I’m not a cheater then.” – Fran
See just for kicks part 1 for the elusive self pwn. Did you see me say my inference was unwarranted? Do you see how Fran could have been more honest representing what I said?
One of my favorite quotes from Jake is,”The hardest thing to do in life is to see things as they are, not as you want them to be.” Theists see things as they want them to be in matters of gods, not as they are. Seeing things as you want them to be rather than how they are is dishonest to the one person that matters the most, yourself. It’s sad to see when humans let this dogma taught by religion funnel over in to other unrelated areas of their life. Like how to treat their wife, their children, themselves, etc. Losing sight of how things are, rather than how you want them to be is somewhere at the core of all the people who have killed in the name of religion.
I rarely indulge him, but this one was the elusive self pwn and I had to, just had to point it out…
Fran quotes me…
“It would seem instead that Fran embodies the stereotype of the immoral Christian who would lie and cheat for Jesus.”
After quoting me, he says…
“On the other hand, he says I cheat. Cheat? Cheat in what exactly? I never cheated in my life.”
Do you see me say the words “Fran cheats?” I was making an inference. See how it could have been more honestly represented?
The elusive self pwn strikes again.